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Seattle drivers most courteous

Friday, May 19, 2006 2:23 PM
From MSNBC:

Survey looks at road rage across nation
Miami tops rude drivers list; Minneapolis nicest


Stressed Miami drivers speed, tailgate and cut off other drivers so frequently that the city earned the title of worst road rage in a survey released Tuesday.

AutoVantage, an automobile membership club offering travel services and roadside assistance, also listed Phoenix, New York, Los Angeles and Boston among the top five cities for rude driving.

Minneapolis, Nashville, St. Louis, Seattle and Atlanta were rated as the cities with the most courteous drivers, who were less likely to change lanes without signaling or swear at other motorists.

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I wonder how you empirically measure something like that.  It's not a surpise though.  As annoying as Seattle drivers can be sometimes (a courteous driver is not necessarily the same thing as a good driver), I have to admit, they are awfully polite.

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1. Posted by
hmmm...maybe that explains my bias about drivers here compared to minnesota.
5/19/2006 3:50 PM
 
2. Posted by
Oh yeah, that's right...coming from the place with the most courteous drivers in the country to the place with the 4th most courteous drivers, it must seem to you like Seattle drivers are assholes. :)

Just don't go to Miami...
5/19/2006 4:10 PM
 
3. Posted by
"As annoying as Seattle drivers can be sometimes (a courteous driver is not necessarily the same thing as a good driver), I have to admit, they are awfully polite."

Amen, Kevin.
5/19/2006 4:10 PM
 
4. Posted by
Ask Jen what it's like to be a passenger in my car in Miami.

I'll be in Miami again next week. Wish me luck!
5/19/2006 4:32 PM
 
5. Posted by
wtf... seattle drivers are NOT courteous!... i get cut off all the time, and people refuse to let me in their lane when i'm signaling. the drivers here USED to be courteous about 15 years ago... but i think the hordes of californians that have moved up here have chanaged that :p
5/19/2006 6:12 PM
 
6. Posted by
Yeah, I think it has gotten worse since I've been here, but they're still much better here than they were in Indiana.
5/19/2006 6:26 PM
 
7. Posted by
Drivers from Seattle are courteous, but they also tend to be slow and indecisive. (60 miles an hour in the fastlane, wtf?) I agree, Kevin, just because you’re courteous doesn’t mean you’re not a crappy driver. And Melissa, there are many more aggressive drivers from other places. Anywhere between DC and Boston, you’re going to find people who drive aggressively and aren’t really concerned with being courteous.

And people in Indiana can't drive. Period.
5/22/2006 8:40 AM
 
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It's one thing to not break the law. It's another to be blocking the passing lane. If one wants to do exactly the speed limit, I have no problem with that, but if I am clearly in a hurry (or just want to get around some moron), then move out of the passing lane and let me pass. My biggest complaint with Seattle drivers is they never understand the need to move out of the passing lane if someone is moving faster behind them.

Seattle is also the only place I've ever been where the speed of travel is actually the speed limit and not at least 10 over that. (Parts of Michigan the flow of traffic is 15-20 over) I've actually had my bumper ridden by the highway patrol in Mass because I was only doing 15 over in the passing lane.
5/22/2006 10:35 AM
 
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In most states, speed limit isn't a hard and fast law. Even in Ohio, which is notorious for issuing a lot of tickets, won't even look twice unless you are more than 11 over on a highway. (10 and under isn't worth the court time in Ohio)

As for the passing lane, it's the accepted practice accross the country to use the left lane as the high speed lanes. The right lane is where 95% of onramps and offramps are. In many states you will see signs instructing slower traffic to keep right. Also, except in a few really stupid cases (mainly in Seattle) HOV lanes are on the left as well. In Mass, trucks aren't even allowed in the left lane on the highways. Can I pass on the right? I often did in Seattle, but it was always out of frustration of people going slow in what is the "passing lane" in every other state.
5/22/2006 12:07 PM
 
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Check out this video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475

A bunch of Georgia students pulled off this stunt where they drove 4 cars side by side down the interstate at the speed limit as a way of proving that driving the speed limit is not in fact, safer (at least in Georgia!).

I saw another video recently where a news station in Minnesota (I think?) did an experiment where they drove the speed limit and recorded the reactions of the traffic around them. They'd get flipped off, honked at, tailgated, etc. (Darn, can't find it though)

The fact that these people think it's crazy enough to drive the speed limit in these places to actually make a video of it shows that in most places, people ignore the interstate speed limits, and that actually following the speed limits can be dangerous because it impedes the flow of traffic.

Also check this out: http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/15/texas-to-raise-speed-limits-to-conform-to-driver-habits/

Texas is considering raising the speed limit on 2 interstates to match how drivers actually drive there. The 85th percentile of traffic drives at 79 mph, so they're raising the limit to 80 mph.

Also, a British study (linked to in the previous story) showed that with higher speed limits, speeding decreased, lending support to the notion of a "natural speed limit" at which people will drive.

Personally, I find 50 mph on the 520 bridge way too slow. I don't really understand why the limit is decreased to 50 for the bridge.
5/22/2006 12:54 PM
 
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My generalization and conclusion remains the same from my blog that I wrote sometime early last year.

No one in this country knows how to drive. Do you know why? Because everyone has their own set of rules irregardless of driving laws at the city, county, state and federal levels.

Next time anyone comes into a roundabout at full-speed without slowing down to merge into existing traffic (READ: ME) gets a pit-maneuver done to them by yours truly.
5/22/2006 1:12 PM
 
12. Posted by
It's true. Each area has it's own driving "culture". I wonder how that sort of thing came about.
5/22/2006 1:13 PM
 
13. Posted by
Well there are times when the law is unreasonable. In many if not most places in the country, you are driving recklessly if you obey the speed limit, because you'd be impeding the flow of traffic. There's no reason to be bitter about it, that's just the way it is.
5/22/2006 1:20 PM
 
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Re: Kevin on "culture".

Two things come to mind immediately why it's so different.

1. Lack of unified driver's education within the country. (How many different DMV entities do we have in this country?)
2. Lack of unified enforcement of laws between different regions of the country and even within multiple juristrictions (e.g. city level - local police, county level - sheriff's department, state level - state patrol).

You're wondering why someone is driving 80+ MPH in Seattle in a 1999 Honda Accord... It might not be he has the "King Of The Road" attitude... It might be that he or she is a California transplant where going 20 MPH over the speed-limit is the normal.
5/22/2006 1:28 PM
 
15. Posted by
Your response to...what?
5/22/2006 3:41 PM
 
16. Posted by
I don't get it...are you saying you'd drive the speed limit if everyone else on the road was driving 10 over?

I don't know where you've done your driving, but I'm guessing it's only been places like Seattle where people actually do drive the speed limit. And apparently where there's no concept of a passing lane...

Anyway, here's that video of the Minnesota news station that did that experiment of driving the speed limit. Maybe it'll do a better job of making my point than I have.

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=124420
5/22/2006 3:57 PM
 
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http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html

That's only ONE of MANY instances where there's no uniformity across the union. Washington State generally is "Unlawful to pass from right" and "Left lane for passing only".

The sad thing is only about 5 other states in some form mandate this. In the EU, this is uniformed (taking into account, yes, the driving left-side, right-side in some countries) and is of my opinion that the 45 other states are WRONG in some shape or fashion.
5/22/2006 4:49 PM
 
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From RCW 46.61.100:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.100

"(2) Upon all roadways having two or more lanes for traffic moving in the same direction, all vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, except (a) when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, (b) when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow, (c) when moving left to allow traffic to merge, or (d) when preparing for a left turn at an intersection, exit, or into a private road or driveway when such left turn is legally permitted...

"(4) It is a traffic infraction to drive continuously in the left lane of a multilane roadway when it impedes the flow of other traffic...

"Legislative intent -- 1986 c 93: "It is the intent of the legislature, in this 1985 [1986] amendment of RCW 46.61.100, that the left-hand lane on any state highway with two or more lanes in the same direction be used primarily as a passing lane." [1986 c 93 § 1.]"

So yes, you are correct that it is *legal* to pass on the right (heck, I do this often myself). But that doesn't change the fact that the left lane is intended to be used for passing, and by law, slower traffic should keep to the right.
5/22/2006 10:45 PM
 
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These laws do not function in conjunction with each other. They are independent of one another. If you are doing the speed limit in the left hand lane, but the flow of traffic in that lane is 5 over, EVERYONE is breaking the law. Again, if the flow of the none passing lane(s) is 70 in a 60 (so breaking the speed limit), and you are doing 70 in the passing lane, when people are trying to go 75 to pass, YOU are breaking 2 laws, and everyone else is breaking one law.

Just because you're following one, doesn't mean you can ignore another. And just because they are speeding, does not make all bets off for YOU, either. (Even if you are going the speed limit)
5/23/2006 8:35 AM
 
20. Posted by
Don't get me started on seattle drivers.

Also that survay is flawed.

Its asking people in an area to judge themselves. Being self critical is something that most people are poor at.
5/24/2006 2:46 PM
 
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In other news, more than half of Seattle drivers believe they are "better-than-average" drivers over others.
5/24/2006 3:06 PM
 

You know it's not your day...

Tuesday, May 9, 2006 8:50 PM
...when after getting your car washed, you park for roughly 30 seconds to reattach your screw-on radio antenna, and during that time, a passing bird drops a big fat load right in the middle of your windshield.
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Apparently I can't tie shoelaces

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 9:05 PM
So for the longest time, as long as I can remember...as in many, many years, I've had this stupid stupid problem of my shoelaces always coming undone if I only did a single knot.  It was so bad that I could tie them, then five steps later, they'd be undone.  I'd just assumed that somehow I had managed to constantly buy shoes with slippery laces or something.  I got so used to tying double knots all the time that I just did it as a matter of habit every time I'd tie my laces.

Well, one day I stumbled across this website, Ian's Shoelace Site.  It has all sorts of interesting (OK, maybe not) info on different ways to lace and tie shoes.  Well lo and behold, one of the pages is about laces that constantly come undone.  Apparently, there is a very subtle difference between the standard knot everyone uses to tie their laces, and a slip knot, which is unsecure and can almost come undone by itself.


Slip Knot


Secure "Reef" Knot


One way a reef knot becomes a slip knot is if you reverse the very first step, e.g. you do a left-over-right starting knot instead of a right-over-left one.  So, reversing this should secure the knot.

Well, I gave it a try, and what do you know, it worked.  My laces hardly ever come undone anymore and I no longer need to spend 10 minutes to untie my shoes.  So apparently, I've been tying my shoelaces the wrong way for years.  I am a moron.
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New Old Music

Sunday, April 9, 2006 2:55 PM
It's time for another Zoji world premiere. :-)  I've finally finished one of those pieces that I've been working on for a long, long time.  Well actually, more like one movement of a piece I've been working on, but still, it's something you can actually listen to from beginning to end, so I'm happy.

Scherzo in C minor (score)

This piece will be the second or third movement of four (I haven't decided which, yet).  It's a scherzo emulating the late Classical style (like all my stuff).  A scherzo (or its predecessor, the minuet) is typically the third (occasionally the second) movement of a piece.  In the Classical era, they were pretty much always in 3/4 time, scherzos usually being fast enough to count in 1.  The overall movement is in a ternary A B A form, with the scherzo being the A, and a contrasting section called the trio being the B.

In this movement of mine, the stormy C minor scherzo is followed by a calmer, somewhat rustic C major trio prominently featuring the horns and trumpets (in keeping with the era, the horns and trumpets used are valveless, meaning they can only play a few notes--in this key, C, D, E, F, and G).

Anyway, hope you like it!
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Farewell Zoji

Saturday, April 1, 2006 8:00 PM
It is with mixed emotions (actually, really only one emotion) that I announce that my time working on Zoji has come to an end.  After a couple of bad days on the stock market a month or two ago, and a few ill-advised <cough>casino trips</cough>, my savings were at a point that I couldn't afford to stay.

So as of Friday, I've officially accepted a position with my old team in the Developer Division at Microsoft, working on the new Windows Presentation Foundation that will be shipped with Windows Vista.  I start on Monday.  Sorry to leave you hanging Dan, but I didn't have much choice.  It's been fun, but as they say, all good things must come to an end.
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